Comments on: Armenia: The Betrayed http://www.documentarytube.com/armenia-the-betrayed Sun, 05 Feb 2012 12:31:56 +0000 hourly 1 By: Iulian Jingahttp://www.documentarytube.com/armenia-the-betrayed#comment-1043 Iulian Jinga Wed, 16 Feb 2011 23:21:28 +0000 http://www.documentarytube.com/?p=135#comment-1043 I apologize if I insulted anyone. It was not my intention. I really liked Dana's comment and I agree. I was too harsh. It's true, the children are not guilty for their forefathers mistakes, but it would be fair at least to admit the genocide. I visited Istanbul and I can say that it was a really nice experience. All the best to everybody! I apologize if I insulted anyone. It was not my intention. I really liked Dana’s comment and I agree. I was too harsh. It’s true, the children are not guilty for their forefathers mistakes, but it would be fair at least to admit the genocide.
I visited Istanbul and I can say that it was a really nice experience.
All the best to everybody!

]]> By: Takishttp://www.documentarytube.com/armenia-the-betrayed#comment-886 Takis Sat, 11 Sep 2010 13:10:22 +0000 http://www.documentarytube.com/?p=135#comment-886 i hate all this bikering first of all what's gone is gone most nations did attrocities that are ashamed of as in every country you have certain scam If they take over God help their victims personally i Juat hate the idea that us Greeks are traditional enemies of Turkey from when i was a little boy i was wondering WHEN will we become friends n couldn't understand why this didn't happen already i grew up in Paphos personally i have NO reason to hate the Turks they never bothered me ONCE when i was at school i had few Turkish friends n as i loved their music they used to invide me to their parties n if anything they treated me even than their own as for the Turkish occupation sure i heard horror stories but How true are they? Turks allowed their subjects to keep their launguage their customs n religion How many European nations allowed that? recentely the invation of cyprus it was our right wing facist that started it first murdering Turkish defenceless women n children But unlike Gaza n beirut Turks behaved extremely well under the circumstances of course some troops went mad seen their own murdered for no reason n retaliated a natural reaction in general i have a Very high respect for Turkey they refused $26B bribe to allow the US to attack Iraq from their own soil ( itake my hat off to them) Mr Ergoyan was the only man with Guts n conviction to speak for the unimaginable suffering of the Palestinians (many israelis are against that too) recentely with the AID FLOTILLA israel offered to release all Turkish citizens Turkey said NO you release ALL prisoners how can i not respect them maybe attrocities happened maybe not ALL I KNOW IS TURKS usually try to avoid a conflict if possible but push them hard enough n u wont like what u will get back i don't blame them for that JUST HOPE ONE DAY WE CAN BE REAL N TRUE FRIENDS WITH THEM AS I DO TRUST THEM MORE THAN MOST i hate all this bikering first of all what’s gone is gone most nations did attrocities that are ashamed of as in every country you have certain scam If they take over God help their victims personally i Juat hate the idea that us Greeks are traditional enemies of Turkey from when i was a little boy i was wondering WHEN will we become friends n couldn’t understand why this didn’t happen already i grew up in Paphos personally i have NO reason to hate the Turks they never bothered me ONCE when i was at school i had few Turkish friends n as i loved their music they used to invide me to their parties n if anything they treated me even than their own as for the Turkish occupation sure i heard horror stories but How true are they? Turks allowed their subjects to keep their launguage their customs n religion How many European nations allowed that? recentely the invation of cyprus it was our right wing facist that started it first murdering Turkish defenceless women n children But unlike Gaza n beirut Turks behaved extremely well under the circumstances of course some troops went mad seen their own murdered for no reason n retaliated a natural reaction in general i have a Very high respect for Turkey they refused $26B bribe to allow the US to attack Iraq from their own soil ( itake my hat off to them) Mr Ergoyan was the only man with Guts n conviction to speak for the unimaginable suffering of the Palestinians (many israelis are against that too) recentely with the AID FLOTILLA israel offered to release all Turkish citizens Turkey said NO you release ALL prisoners how can i not respect them maybe attrocities happened maybe not ALL I KNOW IS TURKS usually try to avoid a conflict if possible but push them hard enough n u wont like what u will get back i don’t blame them for that JUST HOPE ONE DAY WE CAN BE REAL N TRUE FRIENDS WITH THEM AS I DO TRUST THEM MORE THAN MOST

]]> By: Dolanhttp://www.documentarytube.com/armenia-the-betrayed#comment-861 Dolan Sat, 21 Aug 2010 21:43:22 +0000 http://www.documentarytube.com/?p=135#comment-861 Its not fair to say Turkish people kill weak people,any of us hadnt lived war time there,all of us read or watch what history wrote ,but we can know documents so i want to see both countries document.,we ought not judge only turkish people.Im not Turkish but i have been there and i saw many historical place where burned homes,goverment building and many of them and same time i saw many church too without crash like new.SO i want to ask in europa there was ottoman right?so where is all mosque now?We should think million time before say something.About armanian i dont know but i read many book and they not look like %100 percent right as greek. Its not fair to say Turkish people kill weak people,any of us hadnt lived war time there,all of us read or watch what history wrote ,but we can know documents so i want to see both countries document.,we ought not judge only turkish people.Im not Turkish but i have been there and i saw many historical place where burned homes,goverment building and many of them and same time i saw many church too without crash like new.SO i want to ask in europa there was ottoman right?so where is all mosque now?We should think million time before say something.About armanian i dont know but i read many book and they not look like %100 percent right as greek.

]]> By: takishttp://www.documentarytube.com/armenia-the-betrayed#comment-732 takis Sat, 24 Apr 2010 22:59:24 +0000 http://www.documentarytube.com/?p=135#comment-732 i never took any interest about politics much till 2events that made me think hard first a jewish guy i was working with in 1970 when easter was coming i said Phil u spending it with family he said mate i go no blood family in this world then he told me during the war all his family was killed by the gestapo n an italian officer smuggled him o Italy n raised him as their own n told him about it when he was 17 then he said to me can u understand me mate i have No one of my own in this world i just cried n felt quilty that i had my family but he did not so anyone who denies the holocoust is dyning the truth to himself am in no way blaming Germans but the facist nazis round the same time i heard an old man i think it was capital radio don't remember but it was early morning he was old cause his voice was very deep n breaking as if coming from a cave he said he was with his mother in a prison camp during the armenian troubles they didn't eat for 3 days n then the Turks had some huge sausepans on a fire they told them it was soup for them while the guards where looking away his mum took the huge spoon in pulled some soup to feed him n then she screamed in the spoon she took the soup was the hand of a baby he said they found out after the babies n children they killed they cooked them in a soup n forced the Arminians to eat the soup what i heard But i was stunned i was driving that time in park lane (Hyde Park) n Had to stop the car cause i felt sick how true it is how can i know but a man that old will he say a lie as big as this when he is close to meeting his Maker? even if it was true this does Not in any way give anybody the excuse to blame all Turks cause many nations did terrible attrocities at least once in their history to say the Germans Turks Japanese or others are all monsters its just Not right as its good n bad in all nations all i know is if we do not forgive the past we have No future not easy i know But we must all try for the sake of future generations or we can go on killing each other till the end of time what good is that to anyone of us? i never took any interest about politics much till 2events that made me think hard first a jewish guy i was working with in 1970 when easter was coming i said Phil u spending it with family he said mate i go no blood family in this world then he told me during the war all his family was killed by the gestapo n an italian officer smuggled him o Italy n raised him as their own n told him about it when he was 17 then he said to me can u understand me mate i have No one of my own in this world i just cried n felt quilty that i had my family but he did not so anyone who denies the holocoust is dyning the truth to himself am in no way blaming Germans but the facist nazis

round the same time i heard an old man i think it was capital radio don’t remember but it was early morning he was old cause his voice was very deep n breaking as if coming from a cave he said he was with his mother in a prison camp during the armenian troubles they didn’t eat for 3 days n then the Turks had some huge sausepans on a fire they told them it was soup for them while the guards where looking away his mum took the huge spoon in pulled some soup to feed him n then she screamed in the spoon she took the soup was the hand of a baby

he said they found out after the babies n children they killed they cooked them in a soup n forced the Arminians to eat the soup what i heard But i was stunned i was driving that time in park lane (Hyde Park) n Had to stop the car cause i felt sick how true it is how can i know but a man that old will he say a lie as big as this when he is close to meeting his Maker? even if it was true this does Not in any way give anybody the excuse to blame all Turks cause many nations did terrible attrocities at least once in their history

to say the Germans Turks Japanese or others are all monsters its just Not right as its good n bad in all nations all i know is if we do not forgive the past we have No future not easy i know But we must all try for the sake of future generations or we can go on killing each other till the end of time what good is that to anyone of us?

]]> By: BARIŞhttp://www.documentarytube.com/armenia-the-betrayed#comment-587 BARIŞ Wed, 23 Dec 2009 16:30:16 +0000 http://www.documentarytube.com/?p=135#comment-587 Hamid we don't need your confirmation to say that we are Muslims.You are right ,in Turkey everybody has the right to choose and practice his or her religion and we have some people who don't believe in Allah and they have the same rights with us.I can imagine that you have difficulties to understand us and I'm not angry with you.If I was living in a country where people are forced to pray and where people who have different ideas murdered just because of their beliefs I would be as bewildered as you are.As a nation we had been waiting for your amazing idea about genocide(!) thanks for your guidence Hamid the great:))) Hamid we don’t need your confirmation to say that we are Muslims.You are right ,in Turkey everybody has the right to choose and practice his or her religion and we have some people who don’t believe in Allah and they have the same rights with us.I can imagine that you have difficulties to understand us and I’m not angry with you.If I was living in a country where people are forced to pray and where people who have different ideas murdered just because of their beliefs I would be as bewildered as you are.As a nation we had been waiting for your amazing idea about genocide(!) thanks for your guidence Hamid the great:)))

]]> By: BARIŞhttp://www.documentarytube.com/armenia-the-betrayed#comment-586 BARIŞ Wed, 23 Dec 2009 16:14:08 +0000 http://www.documentarytube.com/?p=135#comment-586 I won't reply emails that are full of racism and hatred.We don't deny our history.For those of you who don't want to understand because of various reasons we just say that if you have a proof to prove your claim then please show it to us.How can you prove it?There must be more than bed time stories to convince us. There must be official documents from that time,there must be mass graves.Where the fuck are they?Have you gone mad? I won’t reply emails that are full of racism and hatred.We don’t deny our history.For those of you who don’t want to understand because of various reasons we just say that if you have a proof to prove your claim then please show it to us.How can you prove it?There must be more than bed time stories to convince us. There must be official documents from that time,there must be mass graves.Where the fuck are they?Have you gone mad?

]]> By: danahttp://www.documentarytube.com/armenia-the-betrayed#comment-584 dana Mon, 21 Dec 2009 18:40:04 +0000 http://www.documentarytube.com/?p=135#comment-584 Andy, ask the survivors from Auschwitz or those from the gulag (few as they are still left) if they managed to view life the same way as before? imagine just that the whole of your family is wiped out and only you survive: how would you feel? Auschwitz survivors at least had the comfort of being able to tell their tales and not be branded as a lie (in spite of the tiny minority denying holocaust). would you have the guts to ask your questions to one of those old people from the video? i bet you wouldn't... my own personal experience: i have met some 20 years ago a soldier captured by the Russians and sent for 25 years to Kolima, to work in the copper mines. It was amazing that he managed to survive for all that time. But since he had returned, he had spent all his time closed in his own world, not talking to anyone any more, not responding, barely eating, unable to work. he was for all effects a living dead. and his was a personal tragedy, no one in his family had been harmed... Andy, ask the survivors from Auschwitz or those from the gulag (few as they are still left) if they managed to view life the same way as before? imagine just that the whole of your family is wiped out and only you survive: how would you feel? Auschwitz survivors at least had the comfort of being able to tell their tales and not be branded as a lie (in spite of the tiny minority denying holocaust). would you have the guts to ask your questions to one of those old people from the video? i bet you wouldn’t… my own personal experience: i have met some 20 years ago a soldier captured by the Russians and sent for 25 years to Kolima, to work in the copper mines. It was amazing that he managed to survive for all that time. But since he had returned, he had spent all his time closed in his own world, not talking to anyone any more, not responding, barely eating, unable to work. he was for all effects a living dead. and his was a personal tragedy, no one in his family had been harmed…

]]> By: andyhttp://www.documentarytube.com/armenia-the-betrayed#comment-581 andy Mon, 21 Dec 2009 05:40:22 +0000 http://www.documentarytube.com/?p=135#comment-581 The saying amongst the survivors is that 'to deny genocide is to die twice'. They didn't die so how could they die twice? The saying amongst the survivors is that ‘to deny genocide is to die twice’. They didn’t die so how could they die twice?

]]> By: danahttp://www.documentarytube.com/armenia-the-betrayed#comment-575 dana Thu, 10 Dec 2009 13:22:13 +0000 http://www.documentarytube.com/?p=135#comment-575 While I cannot comment on the quality of the documentary from a historical point of view, since i am not a historian myself, nor I believe the documentary to be an exhaustive evidence of the subject in case, I am truly annoyed with the comments of some of the previous viewers. I am not taking sides, trust me, I am not by far of Mr. Jinga's opinion and I am not condemning the whole Turkish people for what happened then, since not all of them took part in those tragic events. I feel sympathetic towards the Armenians in the same way I would feel sympathetic toward a people that lost a million or more of its members through no fault of their own (by the way, the figures I got from history books, not from this documentary alone). However, I am outraged that citizens of a modern Turkey that strive to be accepted by the European Union and that ask not to be misjudged are still believing a 100 year old propaganda that blamed the misfortune of the Ottoman Empire on the Armenians alone. The Ottoman Empire died because it was its time to die. It was a corrupt decadent empire where human rights were overlooked, where many people, including Turks, had to suffer. It is true some of the Armenian exponents sought the help of the Foreign Powers in order to obtain independence. However they did not start a war against Turks and the genocide (yes, the term applies even before wwII - it applies always in the case of massacres of this genre) that followed was not justified. Just think that out of the one million dead Armenian, more than half were women and children that had absolutely no involvement in the political situation of the time. It does not harm you as modern Turks to admit your own history, it does not paint you as monsters. The sons are not guilty for the faults of their parents, whatever the Bible might say. I have roots in a people that exerted many more genocides than that of the Armenians (half of the Chinese people, for example, almost the whole population of the Persian Empire, the razing of Baghdad, etc). I am not denying them, nor do I try to excuse them. They happened for a reason, in some cases lust for power, in other cases irrational fears, I admit that, but not because I find those reasons do I deny their very occurrence. Learn to accept your own history and you'll get the advantage of recognising the danger of irrational thinking when it comes to human lives. You wouldnt want in the future that some irrational fears or motives of a stronger people than your own to contribute to the wiping of your people. Just dont forget the lust of the Russians for your straights. Imagine what would happen if for some reason the whole Russian people would be manipulated into killing the Turks? I see some of you still dream of a Turkish Empire and wish that the EU collapses? what moral right do you think you have over parts of Europe? dont you have enough land in Turkey? While I cannot comment on the quality of the documentary from a historical point of view, since i am not a historian myself, nor I believe the documentary to be an exhaustive evidence of the subject in case, I am truly annoyed with the comments of some of the previous viewers. I am not taking sides, trust me, I am not by far of Mr. Jinga’s opinion and I am not condemning the whole Turkish people for what happened then, since not all of them took part in those tragic events. I feel sympathetic towards the Armenians in the same way I would feel sympathetic toward a people that lost a million or more of its members through no fault of their own (by the way, the figures I got from history books, not from this documentary alone). However, I am outraged that citizens of a modern Turkey that strive to be accepted by the European Union and that ask not to be misjudged are still believing a 100 year old propaganda that blamed the misfortune of the Ottoman Empire on the Armenians alone. The Ottoman Empire died because it was its time to die. It was a corrupt decadent empire where human rights were overlooked, where many people, including Turks, had to suffer. It is true some of the Armenian exponents sought the help of the Foreign Powers in order to obtain independence. However they did not start a war against Turks and the genocide (yes, the term applies even before wwII – it applies always in the case of massacres of this genre) that followed was not justified. Just think that out of the one million dead Armenian, more than half were women and children that had absolutely no involvement in the political situation of the time. It does not harm you as modern Turks to admit your own history, it does not paint you as monsters. The sons are not guilty for the faults of their parents, whatever the Bible might say. I have roots in a people that exerted many more genocides than that of the Armenians (half of the Chinese people, for example, almost the whole population of the Persian Empire, the razing of Baghdad, etc). I am not denying them, nor do I try to excuse them. They happened for a reason, in some cases lust for power, in other cases irrational fears, I admit that, but not because I find those reasons do I deny their very occurrence. Learn to accept your own history and you’ll get the advantage of recognising the danger of irrational thinking when it comes to human lives. You wouldnt want in the future that some irrational fears or motives of a stronger people than your own to contribute to the wiping of your people. Just dont forget the lust of the Russians for your straights. Imagine what would happen if for some reason the whole Russian people would be manipulated into killing the Turks? I see some of you still dream of a Turkish Empire and wish that the EU collapses? what moral right do you think you have over parts of Europe? dont you have enough land in Turkey?

]]> By: Iulian Jingahttp://www.documentarytube.com/armenia-the-betrayed#comment-572 Iulian Jinga Sat, 05 Dec 2009 17:32:51 +0000 http://www.documentarytube.com/?p=135#comment-572 I was talking in general, about Turkey as a political power. I don't talk about every citizen, but I know well what Turkey did during the history. I know because I studied history, and because I live in a country which was oppressed by the Otoman Empire for over 350 years. I know how many children were taken from they mothers and raised to be soldiers and later to kill their own biological parents, how many people died to defend their countries against the otoman invaders, how much gold they stoled and I can give hundreds of examples. I don't say they didn't do anything good, but they provoked too much suffering. The past is gone, but we shouldn't forget. That's all. Don't forget what you did in the past, before you think you are so great. I was talking in general, about Turkey as a political power. I don’t talk about every citizen, but I know well what Turkey did during the history. I know because I studied history, and because I live in a country which was oppressed by the Otoman Empire for over 350 years. I know how many children were taken from they mothers and raised to be soldiers and later to kill their own biological parents, how many people died to defend their countries against the otoman invaders, how much gold they stoled and I can give hundreds of examples. I don’t say they didn’t do anything good, but they provoked too much suffering. The past is gone, but we shouldn’t forget. That’s all. Don’t forget what you did in the past, before you think you are so great.

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